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	<title>Comments on: Blogging From Berlin:The News And Views I Wanted To Share</title>
	<link>http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/05/13/blogging-from-berlinthe-news-and-views-i-wanted-to-share/</link>
	<description>Danny Schechter's daily media dissections</description>
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		<title>by: NaBNYC</title>
		<link>http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/05/13/blogging-from-berlinthe-news-and-views-i-wanted-to-share/#comment-32654</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Progressives tend to always side with the weak, the poor, the frightened, the powerless.  So when we hear that the Bush regime is rounding  up illegal immigrants and deporting them, our first inclination is to support the immigrants in their desire to stay in the U.S.  

Personally I'm in favor of deporting anyone who is here illegally, with some system in place to allow long-term residents to apply for equitable relief.  And of course people seeking asylum based on persecution or threats in their own country fall into an entirely different category.

When we look at the history of labor, we see that whenever working people try to protect their jobs and their rights, the business owners always bring in more desperate people (scabs) to take the jobs, and throw the other workers out of work.  What we have in our country is the national government giving business the right to use slave, child, and prison labor throughout the world, and for those jobs they cannot send away we have open borders to the South.  

The government officially claims there are 12-20 million illegal immigrants.  But we know the Bush government is math challenged.  They will tell us that inflation is 3% when it's more like 15- 20%.  They tell us unemployment is "only" 5% but they exclude all the long-term unemployed, and exclude the workers who used to make $25/hour, and finally out of desperation took a retail job at $6/hour.  

I assume the actual number of illegal immigrants is much higher than reported.  Most of them are desperately poor, have no health care ever in their lives, are illiterate in any language, have little formal education, and have no skills beyond farming and agricultural.  They will work under the worst conditions (and do).  They are the wretched of the earth.

But however much compassion anyone might feel, we should also be aware that the open border is driving down wages and working conditions for all Americans.  I just read an article about the wages of pickers, migrants, which  have been frozen for over a decade if not falling, because of the glut of agricultural workers.  The ag business cries that they have "no one" to do the work, but that's a lie.  They  have an unlimited supply of desperate illegal immigrants, and the result is that the workers are bidding against each other for crappy jobs that maybe pay $6,000/year.

Of course the illegal immigrants who are here for awhile get hired onto more skilled work, and take over by under-bidding Americans.  Construction, for example, used to be a well-paid skilled field for Americans but in many areas is now done by illegal immigrants at $6-$8/hour, with the American thrown out of work.  We also know that entire industries in this country have thrown Americans out of work and replaced them with illegal immigrants.  

We are Americans and we can and should take steps to protect our own people, prevent people from other countries from coming here and taking their jobs.  That's nothing against the immigrants, it's just something for my neighbors who have lived here, worked, paid taxes their entire lives, and they deserve to have the laws enforced.

We should demand that the politicians only act on behalf of the people of this country, not the businesses.  I could care less if Microsoft is successful in the world, since I don't own Microsoft stock.  I certainly don't want them importing engineers from third world countries and leaving Americans unemployed, which does have an immediate effect on me when my neighbors are out of work.

In a time of economic downturn we can stop and take a look at what has happened to American working people:  no pension, no job security, loss of equity in the home or loss of homes, working 50 hour weeks for 40 hours/ pay, cut-backs in vacations and holidays, no more employer-provided health insurance. 

We should stop all immigration, deport anyone who's not here legally, then start from the bottom up re-creating an economic system and a government which has one purpose only:  to provide decent jobs, full employment, 40-hour work weeks, vacation, health care, pensions and retirement, for all American workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives tend to always side with the weak, the poor, the frightened, the powerless.  So when we hear that the Bush regime is rounding  up illegal immigrants and deporting them, our first inclination is to support the immigrants in their desire to stay in the U.S.  </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m in favor of deporting anyone who is here illegally, with some system in place to allow long-term residents to apply for equitable relief.  And of course people seeking asylum based on persecution or threats in their own country fall into an entirely different category.</p>
<p>When we look at the history of labor, we see that whenever working people try to protect their jobs and their rights, the business owners always bring in more desperate people (scabs) to take the jobs, and throw the other workers out of work.  What we have in our country is the national government giving business the right to use slave, child, and prison labor throughout the world, and for those jobs they cannot send away we have open borders to the South.  </p>
<p>The government officially claims there are 12-20 million illegal immigrants.  But we know the Bush government is math challenged.  They will tell us that inflation is 3% when it&#8217;s more like 15- 20%.  They tell us unemployment is &#8220;only&#8221; 5% but they exclude all the long-term unemployed, and exclude the workers who used to make $25/hour, and finally out of desperation took a retail job at $6/hour.  </p>
<p>I assume the actual number of illegal immigrants is much higher than reported.  Most of them are desperately poor, have no health care ever in their lives, are illiterate in any language, have little formal education, and have no skills beyond farming and agricultural.  They will work under the worst conditions (and do).  They are the wretched of the earth.</p>
<p>But however much compassion anyone might feel, we should also be aware that the open border is driving down wages and working conditions for all Americans.  I just read an article about the wages of pickers, migrants, which  have been frozen for over a decade if not falling, because of the glut of agricultural workers.  The ag business cries that they have &#8220;no one&#8221; to do the work, but that&#8217;s a lie.  They  have an unlimited supply of desperate illegal immigrants, and the result is that the workers are bidding against each other for crappy jobs that maybe pay $6,000/year.</p>
<p>Of course the illegal immigrants who are here for awhile get hired onto more skilled work, and take over by under-bidding Americans.  Construction, for example, used to be a well-paid skilled field for Americans but in many areas is now done by illegal immigrants at $6-$8/hour, with the American thrown out of work.  We also know that entire industries in this country have thrown Americans out of work and replaced them with illegal immigrants.  </p>
<p>We are Americans and we can and should take steps to protect our own people, prevent people from other countries from coming here and taking their jobs.  That&#8217;s nothing against the immigrants, it&#8217;s just something for my neighbors who have lived here, worked, paid taxes their entire lives, and they deserve to have the laws enforced.</p>
<p>We should demand that the politicians only act on behalf of the people of this country, not the businesses.  I could care less if Microsoft is successful in the world, since I don&#8217;t own Microsoft stock.  I certainly don&#8217;t want them importing engineers from third world countries and leaving Americans unemployed, which does have an immediate effect on me when my neighbors are out of work.</p>
<p>In a time of economic downturn we can stop and take a look at what has happened to American working people:  no pension, no job security, loss of equity in the home or loss of homes, working 50 hour weeks for 40 hours/ pay, cut-backs in vacations and holidays, no more employer-provided health insurance. </p>
<p>We should stop all immigration, deport anyone who&#8217;s not here legally, then start from the bottom up re-creating an economic system and a government which has one purpose only:  to provide decent jobs, full employment, 40-hour work weeks, vacation, health care, pensions and retirement, for all American workers.
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		<title>by: ahansen</title>
		<link>http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/05/13/blogging-from-berlinthe-news-and-views-i-wanted-to-share/#comment-32652</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Danny,

With all due distrust of another heavy-handed government, (PRC) I find myself increasingly annoyed by the American media's fawning over Daili Lama while vilifying those who wish to see the Tibetan people enter maybe the 20th century..let alone the 21st.

Mr. Lama and Company have what amounts to a feudal hold over Tibet, and as such, a vested interest in maintaining an uneducated, compliant serfdom.  Whining about "religious" freedom rings about as true as Mormon's using it to justify child rape, or Baptists refusing to allow their children to confront the realities of the evolutionary process.  

Maybe their gods have spoken and they "Believe," but the larger society here in America insists that they either integrate or disband in the name of political cohesion. 

The alternative as the "monks" of Tibet have discovered, is to get their asses shot off.... (Waco, anyone?  ATF raids?)  

Why is Tibet any different than say, Utah?  What do you think would have happened if the Catholic Church had argued that its Hispanic population in California circa 1967  constituted a religious state and appealed to the world press to take up its cause?

  China has an enormous challenge bringing its populace into a global society...America's problems pale in comparison, and look at the mess it's making.  How about the MSM take a less childlike look at that sweet old Dalai and try to convince the man to get a clue and help "his" people make the transition into a literate, economically viable society? 

Thanks for the forum.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny,</p>
<p>With all due distrust of another heavy-handed government, (PRC) I find myself increasingly annoyed by the American media&#8217;s fawning over Daili Lama while vilifying those who wish to see the Tibetan people enter maybe the 20th century..let alone the 21st.</p>
<p>Mr. Lama and Company have what amounts to a feudal hold over Tibet, and as such, a vested interest in maintaining an uneducated, compliant serfdom.  Whining about &#8220;religious&#8221; freedom rings about as true as Mormon&#8217;s using it to justify child rape, or Baptists refusing to allow their children to confront the realities of the evolutionary process.  </p>
<p>Maybe their gods have spoken and they &#8220;Believe,&#8221; but the larger society here in America insists that they either integrate or disband in the name of political cohesion. </p>
<p>The alternative as the &#8220;monks&#8221; of Tibet have discovered, is to get their asses shot off&#8230;. (Waco, anyone?  ATF raids?)  </p>
<p>Why is Tibet any different than say, Utah?  What do you think would have happened if the Catholic Church had argued that its Hispanic population in California circa 1967  constituted a religious state and appealed to the world press to take up its cause?</p>
<p>  China has an enormous challenge bringing its populace into a global society&#8230;America&#8217;s problems pale in comparison, and look at the mess it&#8217;s making.  How about the MSM take a less childlike look at that sweet old Dalai and try to convince the man to get a clue and help &#8220;his&#8221; people make the transition into a literate, economically viable society? </p>
<p>Thanks for the forum.</p>
<p>a
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/05/13/blogging-from-berlinthe-news-and-views-i-wanted-to-share/#comment-32631</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That'll teach me to read news dissector more carefully; I didn't register that you were coming to Berlin until now.

Are there any public events for your adoring fans to attend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;ll teach me to read news dissector more carefully; I didn&#8217;t register that you were coming to Berlin until now.</p>
<p>Are there any public events for your adoring fans to attend?
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