Comments on: Why Was Giuliana Targeted — Or Was She?

by: Bob Bulthuis

Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:52:34 +0000

Mark Manning was in Faluja making a film about the war. He came back to the US and within 10 hours his hotel room and car were simultaneously broken into. The only items stolen were his film He had evidence the US was using weapons of mass destruction in the Battle of Faluja. A report on this is available at http://www.flashpoints.net/archive/archive-2005-Feb-all.html#2005-02-16
Guiliana Sgrena also had damning information.

Why is the US trying to kill the journalists and their information? The stories are getting out and we are intelligent enough to see through the numerous Bush administration lies.
It is about time that Bush abd the US be held accountable for their illegal war crimes.

by: Ria

Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:48:53 +0000

The photos do indeed make the figure of 300-400 rounds difficult to believe. However, details from the Italians reveal inconsistencies in the first report from the American troops, e.g. that the American forces had been informed of the car’s arrival (by the ‘mystery’ fourth occupant of the car who was in fact liaising with the US troops at the airport) and that the driver had in fact stopped when flagged down. See live feed from Italian parliament in La Repubblica.

by: Pablo

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:30:47 +0000

La Republica has photos of the car.

Click on “IMMAGINI: l’auto colpita dai soldati Usa” just below the top left headline.

Sgrena is lying.

by: The False God

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:45:31 +0000

It also doesn’t identify where the bullets struck. Most likely, they were aimed for the engine block, in an effort to kill the car, rather than its occupants.

However, going as fast as they appear to have been going (at least by Ms. Communist’s own account), it’s likely some of the bullets missed the engine block and went through the windows/side into the interior of the car.

Lisa’s post isn’t even worth responding to. Marxist class struggle went out in the 80’s, Lisa. Also, your logic is fundamentally screwed up. This incident was a hit, so when they fail to kill her at the start, they decide to spare her and treat injuries instead?

ERROR. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

And yes, we Americans are so afraid of reading news with an anti-government slant. That’s why Fox news is the only one that doesn’t regularly attempt to put a negative spin on anything that comes out the Iraq. Because AP, CNN, and Reuters weren’t already biased enough.

Will no one be happy until we allow Al-Jazeera to broadcast “death to America!” chants 24/7?

by: Pablo

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:14:22 +0000

BTW, the car has not disappeared. It’s in the possesion of Italian investigators and is being taken to Rome. According to La Republica, the vehicle was hit by 8 rounds. That would be 2-3% of the 300-400 rounds that Sgrena claims were fired. It also amkes it unlikely that she “picked up handfuls of bullets” from the seat beside her.

Sgrena is lying.

by: Lisa DeRenard

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:13:24 +0000

Regarding the war in Iraq, Americans receive news slanted in favor of the US Government. Aside from possible ransom paid for Sgrene’s release, some of us Americans would like to know what information Sgrena (and possibly Calipari) had that the US would risk alienation of ally support from Italy when she was fired upon by US troops. American sentiment towards what happened to Sgrena is Calipari seems to be “ambivilance” and “disinterest” because average American citizens feel they are powerless to do anything about it anyhow. Many take a narrow view that Sgrena had no business being in Iraq and that she took the risk of such an incident occurring by going to Iraq in the first place. But if that reasoning is taken to its logical end, then all journalists in Iraq face that risk. Whether we agree with any media’s “slant” on the Iraq war, media are the eyes and ears of the masses, without whose courage the elite would go completely unchecked at the expense of the masses. Perhaps this incident involving Sgrena and Calipari was designed to set an example to all journalists, a warning of what happens to journalist and those whom support them when their reports do not support US and coalition forces in Iraq. Such a policy is totally consistent with the US current policy to destroy terrorists and those who support them. Who is a terrorist and who supports terrorists? The message is clear: anyone the US claims is a terrorist and anyone the US claims is a terrorist supporter by any means the US claims terrorism is being supported. One can logically argue that Sgrena’s claim that she was deliberately targeted is consistent with US policy. Where the US has responded that such claim is “absurd” then the US has admitted its policy is “absurd”, but of course we all know that. Just like under Hitler’s tyranny, Americans do nothing to address this absurd policy because since 9-11-2001 the American people are afraid. US citizenry depend upon the US government to address those fears even many of those fears beyond 9-11-2001 have been manufactured and provoked by the US government and incidentally benefit the elite few. The US is a “result oriented” republic. It does not care about means taken or costs expended, whether it cuts off its nose despite its face to address American fear. It prefers cutting of the nose of the republic face over the cutting off of heads made available for all to see via the internet. It cares only that the end is accomplished and it kills and destroys any one or anything that blocks its view of the end.

by: Pablo

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:48:11 +0000

The scene might reek of an organized hit…except that Sgrena is still alive.

If she was supposed to be killed, she’d be dead. Instead, she’s magically dodged hundreds of rounds, and was then given medical treatment by the US forces who apparently forgot they were supposed to be murdering her.

Brilliant.

by: Collin Baber

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:15:21 +0000

Now we find that the car she was in has disapeared. That scene reeks of an organized hit. Cui Bono?

by: paul harrington

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:17:10 +0000

God will you folks give it a break! This morning you had Giuliana getting shot at with 2-300 rounds of M-16 ammo and what ever else they capped off, short of a one-kilo ton nuclear weapon, and only killing one. Now you have Uncle Karl ordering a hit. Come on guys dont you all think there are more pressing matters for the folks at 1600 to work on then some dingie-commie chick writer being ransomed and then putting a contract on her???? Some people out here have a lot of time on their hands.

by: The False God

Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:45:16 +0000

“Sgrena’s “side” of the story, as Ms. McCartt would have it, has a certain amount of weight, as does Pier Scolari’s, because they were there, in the car when it happened.”

Fine. She has a story, and she was there, amazingly enough. Hard to determine, since she’s shifted the position of where the event took place at least two times so far. We’ll say that the event happened, in some form or fashion.

“The car, the evidence of the car with the bullet holes in it, has disappeared. After the event the Italians were held for over an hour with no communication to the outside. Why?”

Yes, the car disappeared. Rather convenient for her, isn’t it? Especially considering if that many bullets were pumped into the car, she would now be ground beef. Holding them for questioning is proper procedure. They could’ve claimed to be a vatican envoy. Doesn’t matter. They still need to be checked out after an incident like this.

“An argument based on the “inexperience” and fear of the shooters is an obvious lie, or the acceptance of an obvious lie. Those soldiers were guarding the main exit from Iraq. It’s beyond idiocy to accept that inexperienced soldiers would be stationed in such an important position. Unless you accept with it the staggering incompetence of their superiors.”

Which lends credence to the idea that this story is not what it appears to be. They were no doubt experienced soldiers. Doesn’t it seem odd for experienced soldiers to unload on a car that is no threat? Yes? And if it was a hit (and how could they know, considering the Italians didn’t even let the military know that their transfer for the hostage and escape had even occured), then why did they let her live? And treat her companions? There were no cameras around. They would’ve merely annihilated the car and destroyed the bodies in the explosion.

No witnesses that weren’t already a part of the hit, right? Or maybe this whol “hit” theory is a bunch of BS.

“he only real question is whether or not Ms Sgrena was the intended target, or whether it was a message in blood and human life, for others - a warning, a threat.
Allowing the issue to be framed as one of sympathy, for the “terrorists” or for the “soldiers”, is an act of cowardice.”

A “message.” Yes. Okay. What’s the message? We shoot up random cars at checkpoints? We might let you through, we might obliterate your ride, or we might pick on the guy behind you? What the Hell kind of message is that, and why would they be sending it?

A “message” would be a village being torched to the ground, or 50 terrorists being staked on pikes with their heads on top.

Who’s talking about sympathy? We’re talking about what happened here.

“The real issue is whether there is any moral integrity remaining in the minds and hearts of the men who’ve done this, to Nicola Calipari, to Giuliana Sgrena, and to the world.”

Sure. There’s two sides to every story. Except this time.

The communist knows the truth! Obviously, since she has changed her story for the seventh time, and the newspapers have reprinted the last busted truth for the second time, and the car has not been found, and there has been no inquiry into this event…

Wait, what’s so obvious about this?

Oh, it’s an obvious anti-American slant.

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